January 29, 2020

VIDEO: Harris and Murray Question Whether Emergence of New Evidence in Impeachment Trial Suggests More Evidence Will Come to Light

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WASHINGTON, D.C. — U.S. Senators Kamala D. Harris (D-CA) and Patty Murray (D-WA) on Wednesday asked House impeachment managers whether the recent discovery of a tape in which President Trump can be heard calling for the removal of former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch suggests that new evidence of the president’s misconduct will continue to come to light.

Through the Chief Justice of the United States, Harris and Murray noted, “The House of Representatives is now in possession of a tape of President Trump saying of Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, ‘Get rid of her, and get her of here tomorrow, I don't care, get her out tomorrow, take her out, okay, do it.’ President Trump gave this order to Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two men who carried out Trump’s pressure campaign in Ukraine at the direction of Rudy Giuliani."

Harris and Murray asked, “Does the discovery of this tape suggest that if the senate does not pursue all relevant evidence including witnesses and documents, that new evidence will continue to come to light after the senate renders a verdict?”

Schiff responded, “The answer is yes. What we have seen really over the last several weeks is since the passage of the articles in the House of Representatives is every week indeed sometimes everyday there is new information coming to light.”

Full transcript of the exchange is below:

ROBERTS: The House of Representatives is now in possession of a tape of President Trump saying of Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, ‘Get rid of her, and get her of here tomorrow, I don't care, get her out tomorrow, take her out, okay, do it.’ President Trump gave this order to Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, two men who carried out Trump’s pressure campaign in Ukraine at the direction of Rudy Giuliani. Does the discovery of this tape suggest that if the senate does not pursue all relevant evidence including witnesses and documents, that new evidence will continue to come to light after the senate renders a verdict?”

SCHIFF: The answer is yes. What we have seen really over the last several weeks is since the passage of the articles in the House of Representatives is every week indeed sometimes everyday there is new information coming to light. We know that there is going to be new information coming to light on March 17th, when the Bolton book comes out, that is if the NSC isn’t successful in redacting it or preventing much of the publication.

And on that issue, I do want to mention one other thing in response to the question about the Bolton manuscript and what did the White House lawyers know, because I listened very carefully to the answer of the question and maybe you listened more carefully than I did, but what I thought that I heard them say in the answer to that question what do you know about the manuscript and when did they know it, their statement was precisely worded. The NSC unit reviewing the book did not share the manuscript. Well that’s a different question than whether the White House lawyers found out what’s in it, because you don't have to circulate the manuscript to have someone walk over to the White House and say, you do not want John Bolton to testify. Let me tell you that you do not want John Bolton to testify. You don't need to read his manuscript, because I can tell you what’s in it. So the denial was a very carefully worded one.

I don't know what the White House lawyers knew and when they knew it, but they did represent to you repeatedly that the president never told a witness that he was freezing the aid to get Ukraine to do these investigations. And we know that's not true. You know that from the witnesses we’ve already heard from, but we also know at least if the reporting is correct and you should find out if it is that John Bolton tells a very different story.

So there are going to continue to be revelations and members of this body on both sides of the aisle are going to have to answer a question each time it does, why didn't you want to know that when it would have helped inform your decision? In every other trial in land, you call witnesses to find out what you can. Again, we’re not a court of appeals here. We are the trial court. We’re not confined to the record below, there is no below. Counsel says in answer to the senator's question about whether Donald Trump ever brought up the Hunter Biden problem with President Poroshenko in the past and says well we’re confined record before us. You’re not confined to the record in the house, nor is the president. The president could call witnesses if they existed. There’s nothing to prevent them from saying as a matter of fact, tomorrow, we’re going to call such and such, and they’re going to testify that indeed Donald Trump brought up Hunter Biden to President Poroshenko. There is nothing prohibiting them from doing that.

But at the end of the day, we are going to continue to see new evidence come out all of the time, but among the most significant evidence, we know what is it going to be. And, you know, the effort to suggest that, well, because this president was stronger on javelins than the predecessor when we know from the July 25th call that the moment that Zelensky brings up the javelins, what’s the very next thing the president says? He wants a favor. The question is why did he stop the aid? Why did he stop the aid this year and no prior year. Was it merely a coincidence? Are we to believe that is was merely a coincidence that was the year that Joe Biden was running for president? Are we to believe that of all of the companies and all of the land, of all of the gin joints in all of the land in Ukraine, that it was just Hunter Biden walking into this one? That was the reason why that he was interested in Burisma was just a coincidence that involved the son of his opponent.

But look, more and more is coming out. Let's make sure that you learn whatever you feel that you need to know to render a judgment now when it can form your decision and not later.

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